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[Roger]

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.........It's a duck!

Some of my very liberal friends either refuse to see what's happening around them or suffer from a severe case of denial. Polling data is slowly but surely revealing that American's are coming to the realization that we heading down the slippery slope of SOCIALISM. It's a duck, folks!

If one doesn't believe it just take a peek at this:
(this was shown to me by my good friend Larry Dombrowski - veteran US Service, yes, that Dombrowski)

Norman Matoon Thomas - 1884 to 1968
He was a 6 time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America. In 1944 he gave this famous speech:

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism.
But, under the name of "liberalism", they will adopt every fragment of
the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation,
without knowing how it happened"
He went on to say: "I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate
for the Socialist Party.
The Democratic Party has adopted our platform".
With supposedly all of the great things about socialism, this speech is all this guy in known for!
It's a duck, folks!

The president of the United States has now personally attempted to silence the Fox News network by banning them from press conferences and bad mouthing them, when he can. Even the liberal mouthpieces for Obama such as ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN etc, said that banning Fox is wrong.
It's truly an attempt to silence an entity that opposes Obama and his staff of sheep! Adolf Hitler silenced all of his critics. Study it and you will see that all socialist nations have silenced their critics in order to push the socialist agenda. When the president himself comes out and attempts to silence someone or some news network, he is flying right in the face of our nation's Freedom of Speech - a freedom we still have at this point in time. It's a duck, folks!

A bumper sticker reads: How's that "hopey-changey" thing working out for ya?

There is an article written by someone in the Russian News Agency, Pravda, that states emphatically: It must be said, that like the breaking of a dam, the American descent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the backdrop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people"
They would recognize a duck when they see one wouldn't they?
Check it out in Snopes; www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/pravda.asp
It's a duck, folks!

Government medicine is "Socialized medicine" It's a duck.
Another bumper sticker reads: You think healthcare is expensive now? Wait until it's Free!
Government take-over of industries is the basis of socialism. It's a duck.
Government run agencies that should be run by the private sector, is the basis of socialism. It's a duck.
Government trying to silence a news network has it's basis in socialism. It's a duck.

I could continue to list things but as you know, all of our ills have been brought upon us by Capitalism and the previous administration. I see and hear that everywhere except for Fox News! Obama tells us so! It must be true.
When I hear Obama speak, I hear quacking - do you?

Again, if you feel you'd like - please feel free to pass this on!

Roger

[KaCee]

An interesting view on BO from a Canadian...

http://www.galganov.com/editorials.asp?ID=1147

[Alan Charles]

Keep posting, Roger. You remind me why I left the Republican party.
Based on what I've read about Mr. Galganov, Kacee, I'll pass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Galganov

[DanielC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuViGAGgt-g

[prefab sprout]

Please Roger. This is forum for original thought. No "cut and paste" warriors please! Just provide a link and we can take it (or leave it) from there.

[prefab sprout]

After having slapped around Kacee earlier this week for posting half truths, I decided to read the story she posted.

Its a complete and total joke. I thought I was going to get a uniquely "Canadian" take on Obama. Instead, this guy Galganov sounds just like any far right nutjob here. His "insights" could have easily been from a Tea Bagger in Florida or a Limbaugh listener in Arizona.

As far as "interesting", I found myself bored with his warmed over nonsense and raving.

[Sunny Fry]

"After having slapped around Kacee earlier this week for posting half truths,"

No, you pointed out a distinction that didn't make a difference to the larger point -- that government has ordered a mandatory wage employers must pay for non-work.

[Philip Gray]

Oh My Zeus! The sky is falling. Run, Chicken Little, Run!

Look. Free market capitalists seek mainly to break even and sustain themselves. They compete freely without destroying each other. Monopolistic capitalists seek only to profit and grow by any means. It's dog-eat-dog competition until one or a few mega-corps eventually dominate their respective industries. Governments have historically supported monopolistic capitalism in order to destroy free markets; to keep us all employed instead of self employed; to limit our wealth; and to collect taxes; As a result, the U.S. doesn't really have the "free market" it should. I can draw an analogy between evolution/ecology and the free market(which isn't really what the U.S. has). Both are 'unguided' and 'amoral' but are capable of great things. But I still see an important role for government, in providing the necessary steerage and control at times.

The cons of Democrats are that they don't understand how the free market works so they pass laws, such as minimum wage, child-labor, government housing and union friendly laws, etc that are antithetical to their ideology of really helping the poor, and tend to favor the monopolistic capitalist over free market capitalists. The pro's lay in regulation of the free market, understanding of the education system, and through opposing forced morality.

The cons of the Republicans are that they don't understand human morality so they try to inject pseudo-morality and the education system so they attempt to pass laws, such as anti-contraceptive and pro-life, anti-homosexual, enforced religiosity, etc that are antithetical to their ideology of creating a moral, educated, ethical society free of drugs, teen pregnancies, STD's, etc.
The pros are that they have greater understanding that a true free market lifts the poor out of poverty instead of creating poverty, and realize some people must suffer for growth.

And both parties end up favoring monopolistic capitalists over free market capitalists!

The libertarian party fails to understand both morality and the free market by believing everyone will just naturally behave themselves, this just isn't historically evidenced!
The other independent parties are filled with nut cases.

On top of all this crap, our society believes the biggest economic problems are potential deflation, immigration, banker bonuses, politicians cheating on taxes and spouses, who's getting unemployment benefits, socialism, Marxism, birth certificates, Fox News, MSNBC liberalism, the "New World Order", UFO's and other wacko stuff. Please, wake and grow the hell up.

Too bad there isn't a major political party in America that truly bases policies on freedom and evidence.

Politicians are people who have demonstrated no skill or desire for anything other than getting and keeping power. "Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters ... but they mean to be masters." -- Daniel Webster

[Tom Davis]

"Jim Dandy to the rescue!" Good catch, Sunny.

"It ain't the size of the dog in the fight it's the size of the fight in the dog" ... (not cut-and-pasted, remembered and believed) and as illustrated by Sunny again and again, witnessed.

[Philip Gray]

Please excuse my grammatical errors and disjointed nature of the last post. I wasn't taking the time to proof read or even make sense.

Oh hell, I think I'm becoming another Patrick.

[prefab sprout]

It all depends on what the "larger point" was.

Mine was that since so many companies in the US are already reducing benefits (such as paid sick days) on top of cutting back hours, those workers at he bottom end of the wage scale are already in serious trouble. Adding employer mandated UNPAID sick time for the H1N1 flu victims only makes the problem worse.

THAT was the point behind the law law proposed by Rep Miller. Sorry you didn't get it.

[Philip Gray]

I tend to view our reality as a tightly knotted yet sparsely connected multidimensional matrix of strings. For all the rest, there's MasterCard. :-)

[Philip Gray]

I'll defend Cap and Trade because I see it as advantageous government steerage of the "free market". It's costs will be borne out over time.

"that government has ordered a mandatory wage employers must pay for non-work."

I can't defend that and remain intellectually honest. It seems another place where government interference will create the opposite of it's intended effects. Jobs will be lost if employers are forced to pay employees for nothing and the poor will pay the highest burden of cost.

[Sunny Fry]

"Mine was that since so many companies in the US are already reducing benefits (such as paid sick days) on top of cutting back hours, those workers at he bottom end of the wage scale are already in serious trouble. Adding employer mandated UNPAID sick time for the H1N1 flu victims only makes the problem worse."

Which is, prefab, your own *justification* for the law, not a rebuttal of the fact that it exists. It was KaCee's point, remember? You attempted to rebut it by justifying it -- which effectively concedes the premise.

As to your justification, it ignores the fact that businesses are cutting hours and sick leave *because* they're trying to stay afloat financially. Every extra burden the government mandates upon them increases the odds that they'll fold -- thus, completely eliminating that job altogether.

But hey, if government mandates can make everything hunky-dory, how about government mandate that every business must immediately hire ten extra people paying them 10% above minimum wage, with two weeks paid vacation and 10 paid sick days? Maybe a US made company car to go with? Voila, unemployment problem solved, poverty fixed, and car companies completely in the black!

Think that'll work?

"THAT was the point behind the law law proposed by Rep Miller. Sorry you didn't get it."

It's lonesome on that edifice you've built, isn't it :-)

[Sunny Fry]

And good morning to you, Tom Davis!

And Philip, I enjoyed the ramble. I wouldn't worry about apologizing for grammatical errors -- it's not like there's a grade, and I enjoyed reading it. You've got a nice perspective because, as I recall, you've had a couple of businesses, are intimately involved in trying to help keep the current place you're working afloat, and have needed help before. Gives you some insight to everybody. I can't help but notice that all too often, those who carelessly pile on rules and fees and dictates to business as though "business" is a static entity and a free piggy bank have literally no idea what effect those rules have, cumulatively, on the individual business and on larger society.

[Roger]

Keep posting, Roger. You remind me why I left the Republican party.
Based on what I've read about Mr. Galganov, Kacee, I'll pass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Galganov

Posted by: Alan Charles | November 06, 2009 at 09:05 AM

Alan, I don't believe my post mentioned anything about Howard Galganov if that’s what your referring to?...BTW I am an Independent..no party affiliation..I just look for ducks..and you sir?

[Roger]

Please Roger. This is forum for original thought. No "cut and paste" warriors please! Just provide a link and we can take it (or leave it) from there.

Posted by: prefab sprout | November 06, 2009 at 09:15 AM

Mr Sprout..from what I have followed of your's on this blog you have no original thoughts..just a little blow hard that Tom Davis sets in his place as needed...Thank you for your thought though.

[DanielC]

Unemployment Rate Jumps to 10.2%; AP Reports 'Economy Is Rebounding'
By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
November 6, 2009 - 09:43 ET

The October unemployment rate has just been released and it has jumped to double digits at 10.2%, the worst rate since 1983. Any higher unemployment rate would make this the worst recession since the Great Depression. So how is the Associated Press reporting the growing unemployment numbers? "The economy is rebounding." I kid you not.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2009/11/06/unemployment-rate-jumps-10-2-ap-reports-economy-rebounding

I'm try'n to find any numbers on unemployment here (cricket noises). It's cool.

[Cut 'n pasted to bug prefab] *wink, nudge, nod, nod*

[prefab sprout]

Welcome Roger.

Nice to see you think you have enough of an "A" game to hang out here. However, to paraphrase MLK, we will judge you on the content of your posts, not the the quality of your suck ups. Unless you have a net worth of over 10 million you are unworthy in Mr Davis' eyes anyway..........

[prefab sprout]

Theres a war on in this country. And that stakes couldn't be higher. And what war is that? The war on terrorism? Drugs? Blog users that cut and paste viral emails? Well yes....

But there is nothing more important than the war on Glenn Beck's internal organs!

The funniest Daily Show clip ever? Possibly....

http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=3847878&ref=fpblg

[KaCee]

In face of rising unemployment, the tanking of Dem approval, and reporting of same by the media, I urge BO to appoint 3 new czars.

1) Employment Czar - to force all commercial enterprises to hire workers not needed, OR, in light of pending Sick Pay Bill, just pay folks for not working.

2) Survey Czar - to monitor and correct all unfavorable polls/surveys prior to release to the public.

3) Media Czar - to quickly supress all unfavorable news beginning to leak on NBC, CBS, MSNBC, et al. Fox, by its nature, would be totally eliminated (excepting those provisions noted under #1 above).

[Tom Davis]

Total BS, prefab ... mine's nowhere near $10 mil (not even close!) and I have a high-regard for myself; albeit nowhere near the perch you see yourself sitting on.

Just admit that if you can't tap dance you're a (fill in the blank).

Comments like 'slap-down' etc. are plain silly. As someone posted last week "we ain't seen a beatin' like the one's you routinely take since they stuck a banana down your pants and turned loose 'da monkey!"

[Tom Davis]

Tomorrow should be ANOTHER beautiful day; if you're in the Murrells Inlet-area please remember the waterfront Belin (pronounced 'blain' locally) Church BBQ (11 AM-4 PM, or somesuch) ... it's always a very nice event/shopping opportunity for custom/unusual offerings with the certainty of enjoying one of SC's best vistas.

They cook up some really good stuff.

[prefab sprout]

I forgot to add earlier a welcome back to Alan Charles.

This blog needs more well educated and thoughtful folks like him.

[Philip Gray]

"They cook up some really good stuff."

I'm sure they do Tom. Hope you'll excuse me. I have some reservations regarding theist organizations. I've gotten to the point where I can't feel comfortable in such settings. I even stepped away from my UU church which accepts all faiths.

I just don't believe faith to be virtuous anymore.